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1 We'll begin by talking about your current historical fiction
sequence, Tudor Terror. This is a period already well-researched for
your Horrible Histories. What additional research did you need to
undertake for the novels?
The little details of life at the time I was forever asking my
researcher things like, "How did they get ships out of harbour in the
days before tug boats", "What would happen to a man caught stealing a
horse?", "Would you call Henry VIII 'Your Grace', 'Your Majesty' or
'Your Highness.'?" And then an expert read the texts and argued with
some of the facts after I'd researched them so carefully! In the end
they're about as accurate as can be.
2 A closely timetabled publishing schedule was a key feature of the
contract you signed for these books. How has this affected the writing
process?
I had to produce six books, of fifty-thousand words each, in a
year. (I also had to write six to eight books for other publishers the
same year.) So I simply decided to write one Tudor Terror book each
alternate month. I write five days a week so that was about twenty
writing days twenty chapters of 2,500 words. A chapter a day. Simple.
Exhausting
but simple!
3 Has the sequence taken off in any directions you did not anticipate
at the start, or has the fact that it is historically based meant that
you've kept more closely to an original outline than would be normal
with standard fiction?
I don't see the six Tudor terror books as a "sequence". They are
one book in six parts. I saw the whole thing as a single unit. What did
happen was the characters took on a life of their own both the
historical characters and the fictional Marsden family. I began to like
many of them even the harsh Sir James and the gruesome Grandmother
but not the monstrous Henry VIII. So they each have a chance to tell a
story from their own point of view and (hopefully) the reader comes to
understand their behaviour. That's what it's all about isn't it?
Understanding other people through fiction then learning to understand
your own behaviour? Especially your bad behaviour!
4 I know that you believe too many old books are reissued in an attempt to give them 'classic' status and that you resent the fact that they
nudge out new authors and new titles. Most fiction, you have argued, is
tied to the issues and concerns of its own period. Are you tempted to
hope that this does not apply to historical fiction?
Yes! I couldn't have put it better. My books attempt look at
'timeless' issues things that were important to Tudors and are still
important to us now. But that's NOT to say I want MY books to become
classics. If someone comes along next year (or in twenty years) and does
the same thing BETTER then my books should be pulped and the new books
take their place. Old trees rot and die to make way for healthy new
growth. Old books should be allowed to die the same way. Burn the
'classics'! Shoot "Black Beauty", blow away "The Wind in the Willows"
and run over "The Railway Children".
5 The promotion of the first two Tudor Terror titles was full-blooded.
Clearly a good deal of money had been spent on publicity and
cover-design. On one level this must have been very pleasing, but as an
author still busy writing books in the sequence did it put you under any
pressure?
No. Because the sixth book was finished before the first one
appeared. That's one advantage of writing them so quickly! What WILL be
difficult is to follow this series with another. What should I write
about? Will it be as good? Do I still have something to say through the
medium of historical fiction? Help! Answers on the back of a postcard
please.
6 The Tudor Terrors I have read include both a realtime narrative
involving the two main child characters, and a 'recollected' story told
by one of the older characters. Is this narrative pattern adopted in all
the books? Which of the narratives did you find easiest to write?
The fifth book is different because three characters are all in
realtime and share the narrative. That was fun. No it was FUN! As for
the others, the realtime was tricky to write because it always had to
keep pace with the "remembered" story. The remembered story (being based
on fact) was already "written" four hundred years ago. (Hey! You ask
some hard questions. This is like being back at school. I hope you
Internet readers appreciate what I'm going through here!)
7 Tudor Terrors are set in the north of England. You were born in
Sunderland and live in County Durham. How important to you is living in
a particular place?
The publishing industry is dominated by London and the south. It
may surprise the editors but there IS life north of Milton Keynes. And
there was a life here in Tudor times
it's just no one in their boring
old history text books BOTHERS with it. I have lived in Wales and in the
south of England so LIVING in the north isn't essential to my writing.
But WRITING ABOUT the North matters to me. It's a dirty job but someone
has to do it.
8 There seems to have been no let-up in your non-fiction output during the writing of Tudor Terrors. You must have a rigorous work-schedule.
How do you organise your time?
I work from 8:30 a.m. till 5:00 p.m. and I do that from Sunday
to Friday inclusive. Saturday is my one day off. I work 52 weeks a year
with Christmas Day off. I last had a holiday 17 years ago. I only have
to write 1000 words a day to complete a non-fiction book. Hell, I can
write 1000 words an HOUR if I push myself and once wrote an 11,000 word
book in a day! But that's not "rigorous". Teaching 30 kids in a school
all day, digging coal in a sunless mine, serving burgers in a bar to
ungrateful customers and demanding bosses now THAT'S what I'd call
"rigorous". I'm my own boss, doing something I enjoy. I've given up
visits to schools and literature festivals so generally I have a settled
and stress-free life. Of course I haven't got time to be ill.
9 When you first started writing the Horrible Histories, I seem to
remember, you had a collaborator. How did you end up writing them on
your own?
Talk to my solicitors about that one please!
10 The look and feel of a Horrible History title is very important
(especially as there are now so many titles competing in this 'niche');
to what extent do you think Martin Brown's illustrations have
contributed to the Horrible Histories' remarkable success?
Martin Brown is an equal partner in the creation of Horrible
Histories. At first the series comprised horrible, but fairly "straight"
facts. Any humour was in Martin's jokes. He is an Australian so he's
born naturally subversive and anti-establishment I've had to learn how
to be bolshy. The books have developed and are now far more powerful
commentary on human behaviour; other artists are able to imitate
Martin's style and humour, but he CREATED it. He's my hero
even if he
does gloat when his cricket team stuffs mine.
11 Martin Brown was at the Edinburgh Book Festival this year, but you, as you were saying, have withdrawn a little from author appearances. Why is this?
I've done hundreds of sessions in schools and festivals in the
past but recently have begun to wonder what is the point? (Even if I had
the time to leave my desk, which I haven't) Certainly, when invited to
schools, some teachers imagined that I could pass on writing skills to
their pupils. Of course I can't. The REAL secret of successful writing
is natural talent. You can either do it or you can't. Meeting a writer
will have no effect I never met a writer when I was young and yet here
I am about to publish my hundredth book. And festivals are for young
people who already enjoy reading. I think it is actually a MISTAKE to
meet someone you admire a "hero" if you like. Because a writer cannot
live up to the image a reader has in his/her mind. All right, all right!
Let's be blunt about it
THIS writer, Terry Deary, can't live up to
what the readers expect. Even the nice ones say, "You're a lot older
than I expected!" Huh! I can't help that! I'm younger than Roald Dahl
and I'm writing a lot better than him these days.
12 Coming back to those competitors... What do you feel about the huge
number of try-to-be-like-Horrible-Histories titles that there are
around?
Published by parasites and written by saddos. Come on, lads!
There are a thousand new genres out there waiting to be invented. Why
don't you go and create one of your own? You haven't the talent, is that
it? I wouldn't mind if you did Horrible Histories BETTER but you
don't! They LOOK like Horrible Histories but the "author's voice" is
still the same boring old school text book one. You know the thing
"Now children, I am an expert I know these facts so sit still and
listen." Whereas Terry Deary says, "Look, kids, I am not an expert but
you'll never guess what I discovered about these people! Whaddya think
of this
?" My readers know the difference, don't you?
13 There wouldn't be these competitors if the Horrible Histories had
not been so phenomenally successful. Being published by Scholastic
obviously helps, given the large number of sales through their school
book fairs. But what do you think is the principle reason for their
popularity, and did you have any inkling that you were 'on to a winner'
when the first title came out?
In the past non-fiction was written by 'experts'. Let me tell
you something an "expert" should not be allowed within a hundred miles
of a children's book. In fact an expert should be put up against a wall
and shot if s/he even thinks about writing a children's book. Terry
Deary is a children's author. He has a track record of 30+ fiction books
published before he turned to non-fiction. (Mind you, I think putting
the success down to Scholastic's Book Club power is misleading. The
published "Top Ten" charts in the media are based on bookshop sales only
and I'm never out of those charts.) And did I EXPECT the success? No.
Let's face it, non-fiction had never made an impact in the best-seller
charts before. Ask me if I ENJOY the success
Yes.
14 The Horrible Histories have been particularly popular with boys.
When people complain that boys are not reading, they normally mean they
are not reading fiction? Do you have any thoughts on boys and reading?
Humans have lived successfully on Earth for a couple of million
years before reading was invented. So let's get this in proportion.
BOOKS don't matter PEOPLE matter. If those boys are out there enjoying
life, doing something useful and learning about other people, then I
don't care if they never pick up a book. I'd be more worried about the
girls (and boys) who spend an unhealthy amount of time reading about
life than "living" it. But if those non-readers are out there
vandalising my car or mugging my mum I'd rather see them reading a book!
The greatest compliment I get is when a young person writes to me and
says they don't like reading
but they read my books! Great! Books are
a fine source of enjoyment and learning
but football is better.
15 You started work as an actor and drama teacher. How has this
background contributed to your work as an author?
My life in drama and in writing can't be separated. As an actor
I took the company plays and re-wrote/improved them. Then I began
writing original plays for touring. Finally I turned my plays into
novels for children. I still "see" chapters in my books as "scenes"; it
is second-nature for me to move the plot along and show character by
writing dialogue. I am so very lucky to have been an actor. Without it
I'd never have become a writer. People look at Shakespeare and argue,
"He couldn't have written those plays because he was a tradesman's son
who went to Grammar school and never went to university." But I'm a
tradesman's son who went to grammar school and never went to university.
I know instinctively how Shakespeare did it. Anyone who follows in our
footsteps acting-writing for stage has a greater chance of success.
(No DO NOT twist that to say "Terry Deary compares himself with
Shakespeare! We walked the same path he walked further.)
16 What do you think of the proposal that children's literature should
have its own laureate?
Hmmm! Very sceptical. I know they say it will make people take
children's books more seriously, but I am not convinced. There are
already some very pompous and pretentious people in the world of
children's books. Quite honestly I'd rather see that hot air blown away.
Let's take children's books LESS seriously. But especially let's take
WRITERS less seriously. "Laureate" indeed. Hah! Let's never forget this
truth: "Writers don't matter READERS matter". The people who planned
this laureate tosh should be made to write that out a thousand times.
(And, when they offer me the job as Children's Laureate I will turn it
down.)
17 Your Scottish Horrible History drew forth some newsworthy protests from academics. In addition to fan letters from children, I am sure your
postbag occasionally contains nitpicking from historians. Do you have
any entertaining examples?
Those Scottish Academics were a joy! What a couple of fellers!
(Named Doctor Finlay and Doctor Cameron believe it or not). They must be
really busy boring the pants off students in their universities. Yet
they take time out to call my humble little book "cheap, sensationalist
rubbish". Wow! No one's ever said anything that nice about my books
before. And here's the amazing thing
those two brilliant professors
made their comments without even reading the book! I love them to bits.
The book has gone straight to the No 1 spot in Scottish best sellers
that's ALL books, not just children's. How can I ever thank them? My
publishers tend to shield delicate me from horrible historians who try
to write nasty things to me. But I did hear of one guy who sent the Vile
Victorians back to the publishers, outraged; his daughter had bought it
for him as a Christmas present and he was disgusted. "It shows a
terrible disrespect for our ancestors," he spluttered. Er
yes? So
what? People like you have been lying to children and painting a rosy
picture of the past ever since history was invented! Don't you think
it's time to give the other side a chance? And here's your daughter's
money back.
18 Given your background in the theatre and what you say about conceivin'chapters' in terms of 'scenes' from a play, are there any plans to
dramatise the Tudor Terror stories?
At present my publishers and I are talking to about seven
television companies who've expressed an interest in televising Tudor
Terror. One or two are nervous about the expense of doing "costume
drama" and think it may never be possible to fund a major children's
historical series again ever! But the most interesting enquiry comes
from the head of an independent production company who performed with me
in a theatre company 25 years ago! Small world, eh? I can't see Tudor
Terror being adapted for stage the way I've just adapted Horrible
Histories and am about to adapt Spark Files. And Spark Files are
generating huge television interest even before they are published.
19 Do you have snacks while you work (green jelly babies?) or stick to a single lunch-break?
I've non-stop tea and biscuits I am ashamed to say. Since
starting to write full time, four years ago, I've put on over 2 stones
in weight. Thinking of changing my name to Terry Blobby.
20 When you were a child you helped out in the family butcher shop. A writer's life tends to exclude involvement of this kind. Or does it? How
involved has your daughter been in the Terry Deary phenomenon?
This writer's life does exclude family involvement. My wife and
daughter have learned not to interrupt me at my desk unless (a) the
house is burning down or (b) Tony Blair has arrived to invite me to take
over the governing of Britain. When I have to visit television studios
and make recordings with pop or soap stars Sara is very keen to become
involved and pose!
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